A Tznius Image
A picture can say a thousand words. So what do you have to say for some of these pictures?
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its not " at least no one will see the shape of my legs..." rather " i'm doing this out of love for You Hashem!" (17)
But why would Hashem want something dangerous for you? Maybe one should not wear skirts when doing such acts?
no!! Hashem would NOT want that!! we know that your life comes before anything else! speaking from experience: i always wear skirts and that does not prevent me from having fun and going eg: rock climbing, obstacle courses ect. the trick is to find the right way to still be modestly dressed while doing these type of things! it'll make Hashem proud and will also be a Kidush Hashem (Age 17)
Someone mentioned in another part of the site that a non Jew saw the way their Jewish grandmother dressed: modestly in the heat of the summer. The Non Jew was turned off, she was not inspired or looked at the Jew in any form of a Kiddush Hashem way but rather said " surely Gd would not want that of you or want you to suffer". This girl in the picture clearly looks like she is suffering. Wouldn't it be easier and funner to ski or rock climb and not worry about your skirt flying up and giving everyone a show? Wouldn't it be even more tznius to wear pants??Hashem knows what is best for us and you souldnt let other peoples opinions effect your avodah (Age 17)
In many other discussions on this site we have mentioned this idea that: other people's opinion should not matter. However, when it comes down to Tznius, it is exactly what matters. The laws of Tznius were instituted davkah because of men's opinion of how women dress, for the most part. Furthermore, if other people's opinion do not matter then why would you care if your doctor came to do surgery on your friend wearing a clown suit? Or if someone came to your wedding wearing a big white bride's gown? You have to admit, people's opinions matter. Take Minhag HaMakom for instance, you dress a certain way in based on your surroundings.
But back to the picture: If wearing such an outfit is dangerous than what does the Torah-view say about this?
But why would Hashem want something dangerous for you? Maybe one should not wear skirts when doing such acts?
no!! Hashem would NOT want that!! we know that your life comes before anything else! speaking from experience: i always wear skirts and that does not prevent me from having fun and going eg: rock climbing, obstacle courses ect. the trick is to find the right way to still be modestly dressed while doing these type of things! it'll make Hashem proud and will also be a Kidush Hashem (Age 17)
Someone mentioned in another part of the site that a non Jew saw the way their Jewish grandmother dressed: modestly in the heat of the summer. The Non Jew was turned off, she was not inspired or looked at the Jew in any form of a Kiddush Hashem way but rather said " surely Gd would not want that of you or want you to suffer". This girl in the picture clearly looks like she is suffering. Wouldn't it be easier and funner to ski or rock climb and not worry about your skirt flying up and giving everyone a show? Wouldn't it be even more tznius to wear pants??Hashem knows what is best for us and you souldnt let other peoples opinions effect your avodah (Age 17)
In many other discussions on this site we have mentioned this idea that: other people's opinion should not matter. However, when it comes down to Tznius, it is exactly what matters. The laws of Tznius were instituted davkah because of men's opinion of how women dress, for the most part. Furthermore, if other people's opinion do not matter then why would you care if your doctor came to do surgery on your friend wearing a clown suit? Or if someone came to your wedding wearing a big white bride's gown? You have to admit, people's opinions matter. Take Minhag HaMakom for instance, you dress a certain way in based on your surroundings.
But back to the picture: If wearing such an outfit is dangerous than what does the Torah-view say about this?
Picture 2
I think this picture is depicting the outcome of a the battle many of us lose with the yetzer hara. The standards of tznius are hard to hold by, and sometimes we slip and wear something that may be passable but is not 100% up to par with what we hold to be tznius. So when we do put on the shirt with words across the chest or dress that's a bit too short when we sit down and people stare at the part that isn't the most tznius, we get defensive. Yeah, I know it's not tznius but you don't have to look at it?!? I think that although it may be hard to come to terms with, we are responsible for what we wear and if others look at the untznius part of us, it isn't their fault entirely. It's ok, you failed this battle with the yetzer hara, you'll get him next time :) (Age 22)
So it's both parties are responsible for how the woman's mode of dress? The viewer and the woman herself??
So it's both parties are responsible for how the woman's mode of dress? The viewer and the woman herself??
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is the picture implying that men have to have long beards in order to look like a proper Jew? (Age 17)
If not, then why do so many Jewish men have long beards?
i guess its for themselves, i mean the beard of a jewish man is some sort of statement when the nazis shaved off the mens beards it was degrading and shameful because their beards had a deeper meaning than just facial hair...
There is a Halacha that men cannot bring razers to their face, so many men do not shave at all for this reason, also it is a symbol of a Jewish man, as you stated. However, could other modes of dress be a symbol too? or instead of a beard? Is the beard the only symbol of a Jewish man? Furthermore, do men have any standards at all to follow regrading Tznius? Or is it just a woman's thing?tniut is not just a bunch of laws its an idea, its way of living. one of the most important midah of a jew is his/ her modesty in dress, in speach, in action ect. everything we do is to ultimatly be a tzelem elokim. (Age 17)
So then men do NOT have any specific laws regarding modes of dress? Only women do? Why do some men not wear jeans then? why do some wear a black hat?
I have discussed this many times with my husband and he said there are many sources (which I cannot remember off the top of my head) that express that men have laws of tznius as well. I think too often, many people forget that tznius shouldn't be solely looked as for the clothes but it's the way we talk, act, behave to others. So with that note, yes women and men both need to act appropriately and like a "mench". In regards to clothes, yes men, have laws of tznius as well. I know plenty of religious Orthodox Jewish men who go to the beach with their families and the men wear a t-shirt instead of going bare chested, for the same reason a woman shouldn't either-it's just not appropriate to show that much skin in front of people, especially when it should be for the privacy of your own home. Beard, no beard, black hat, no black hat, those are just parts of a uniform that a person attaches meaning and significance at. The true meaning is behind the person's values, actions, speech. Let us not forget the true essence of tznius.(Age 25)
I'm wondering if there's a specific mesorah for the idea that being tznius is related to long life (for example kibud av v aim is stated to have such a reward). If not, then is this sign attempting to say that one who keeps modesty laws will be zoche to live a long life i.e see the days of moshiach? I'm wondering also what the motivation is of the person who hung the sign. Is it to reinforce those who are already tzniut ? Is it to encourage those who are not? Is it effective? It's difficult to grasp the meaning of the sign without knowing the thoughts behind it. But it definitely puts to bed the apple a day idea.... :) (Age 23)
If not, then why do so many Jewish men have long beards?
i guess its for themselves, i mean the beard of a jewish man is some sort of statement when the nazis shaved off the mens beards it was degrading and shameful because their beards had a deeper meaning than just facial hair...
There is a Halacha that men cannot bring razers to their face, so many men do not shave at all for this reason, also it is a symbol of a Jewish man, as you stated. However, could other modes of dress be a symbol too? or instead of a beard? Is the beard the only symbol of a Jewish man? Furthermore, do men have any standards at all to follow regrading Tznius? Or is it just a woman's thing?tniut is not just a bunch of laws its an idea, its way of living. one of the most important midah of a jew is his/ her modesty in dress, in speach, in action ect. everything we do is to ultimatly be a tzelem elokim. (Age 17)
So then men do NOT have any specific laws regarding modes of dress? Only women do? Why do some men not wear jeans then? why do some wear a black hat?
I have discussed this many times with my husband and he said there are many sources (which I cannot remember off the top of my head) that express that men have laws of tznius as well. I think too often, many people forget that tznius shouldn't be solely looked as for the clothes but it's the way we talk, act, behave to others. So with that note, yes women and men both need to act appropriately and like a "mench". In regards to clothes, yes men, have laws of tznius as well. I know plenty of religious Orthodox Jewish men who go to the beach with their families and the men wear a t-shirt instead of going bare chested, for the same reason a woman shouldn't either-it's just not appropriate to show that much skin in front of people, especially when it should be for the privacy of your own home. Beard, no beard, black hat, no black hat, those are just parts of a uniform that a person attaches meaning and significance at. The true meaning is behind the person's values, actions, speech. Let us not forget the true essence of tznius.(Age 25)
I'm wondering if there's a specific mesorah for the idea that being tznius is related to long life (for example kibud av v aim is stated to have such a reward). If not, then is this sign attempting to say that one who keeps modesty laws will be zoche to live a long life i.e see the days of moshiach? I'm wondering also what the motivation is of the person who hung the sign. Is it to reinforce those who are already tzniut ? Is it to encourage those who are not? Is it effective? It's difficult to grasp the meaning of the sign without knowing the thoughts behind it. But it definitely puts to bed the apple a day idea.... :) (Age 23)
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